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Posted by Ocean on behalf of Terence Tighe:

Ready about…

Some loosely linked thought forms:

Currently most useful understanding to cultivate is that everything is an alteration of consciousness – sense perceptions, thoughts, emotions, dreams, visualisations, neurotic eruptions, awareness resting on awareness, TGS, recognizing nature of mind, sems & rigpa, 4th moment, Nowness. All made of the same stuff.

In the excellent Ocean series on early tantra groups, my position was always that I do not know what the experience of TGS is. I probably experience it as much as the average bear, but I do not ID particular moments as as having been it. Always found it odd that the instructors, as much as they talked about the experience of TGS, refused to describe their personal experience of it. Seems to be a bit of a taboo in some reference group. Non-scholars don’t mind opining: extra-vivid perception, etc. Let’s ask Elizabeth if she will describe her experience of recognizing nature of mind.

I find that anchoring on traditional phrasings of these matters (e.g., recognize nature of mind) can be an obstacle to finding the experience.

A class of practices that I find reliably lead to a moment of enhanced clarity and still mind include intensification and release. Examples: CTR’s intensify neurosis then whoosh; the Miksang human camera exercises; Mudra theatre exercises of whole or partial body intensification and hold, then release; stroke practice.

A couple of guys, whose methods are possibly worth checking out, are doing a secular trekcho guidance on an internet app and some web sites. Sam Harris and Loch Kelly. They both have substantial backgrounds in Dzogchen and Mahamudra practice. We may not approve of their popularization of teachings, but their methods are worth looking at. They don’t come right out and say it’s Buddhism, although they don’t hide it.

Elizabeth, Jan Wilcox may have mentioned them when I sent her these links:

Sam Harris’ site:

https://app.wakingup.com

He has daily guided meditations and archived ones. There is also a ‘phone app.

Free month for the site contents and app:

https://dynamic.wakingup.com/share/338c81

Under the Practice tab are guest instructors. These are Loch Kelly’s guided meditations on the Waking Up site:

https://app.wakingup.com/practice/effortless-mindfulness –

Here are two good conversations between Harris and Kelly comparing their approaches to guideding people to nature of mind (not using that phrase):

https://app.wakingup.com/theory/conversations -1st Kelly session with Harris

https://app.wakingup.com/theory/questions-answers – 2nd Kelly session with Harris.

Here Kelly uses hands to indicate where to place mind. Interesting method:

https://lochkelly.org/way-of-effortless-mindfulness/

Elizabeth, I’ve gotten contradictory opinions from scholars as to whether these states of mind are the same thing; awareness resting on awareness, TGS, recognizing nature of mind, rigpa, 4th moment, Nowness. Do you think they are the same or different?

Helm’s a-lee

TT

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